[Gator]

Redneck le guignol nous donne des nouvelles fraîches d’il y a 3/4 mois…

;-))))

[Gator]

Scarr a écrit :

Sinon, on avait tenu trois mois sans ce maudit topic…tsss….

Je parlais de SX, moi, pas de politique(s)…

[redneck]

gator a écrit :

Redneck le guignol nous donne des nouvelles fraîches d’il y a 3/4 mois…
;-))))

C est tout à fait volontaire.

Je trouve  que le message passé aux français à l’entrée de l’été, était  parfaitement catastrophique.

[redneck]

gator a écrit :

Redneck le guignol 

hé hé hé hé, ça a mis une grosse journée quoi…

,-)))

[;;]

Scarr a écrit :

Sinon, on avait tenu trois mois sans ce maudit topic…tsss….

Oui mais IL est revenu , et à plein temps en plus ! 

[Scarr]

redneck a écrit :

gator a écrit :

Redneck le guignol nous donne des nouvelles fraîches d’il y a 3/4 mois…
;-))))

 le message passé aux français à l’entrée de l’été était  parfaitement catastrophiste.

Le chef de service, il lit la note de service…

Sans illusion, il est là pour en prendre plein la gueule, tant qu’il tient le coup… 😉

[Scarr]

Pr Gilbert Deray : « Les antivax, révélateurs d’une société malade de son égoïsme (et inculture) »

Pour le chef du service de néphrologie à la Pitié-Salpêtrière, les oppositions au passe sanitaire témoignent de la prédominance du « moi » sur l’intérêt de la collectivité.

« Les anti vaccins et les anti Passe sanitaire sont les révélateurs d’une société malade de ses valeurs…

.

Attaques contre des Pharmacies et des centres de vaccination, hôpitaux envahis au mépris de toutes règles d’hygiènes et de respect des patients et destruction de vaccins sont les stigmates les plus visibles et médiatisés des actions d’une partie des antipass/antivaccin.

Ils sont les plus agités et sont minoritaires au sein de ce mouvement mais ne sont pas désavoués par ceux qui les accompagnent et bien sûr tres soutenus par ceux qui mènent cette danse mortifère.

Ces mouvements sont l’illustration d’une société déboussolée où le MOI domine chacun de nos actes au total mépris de l’intérêt de la collectivité.

Rien de rationnel ne vient freiner cette haine de notre société.

Les preuves d’efficacité et de sécurité des vaccins s’accumulent sans que cela ne viennent troubler les croyances absolues des antivaccins en un complot mondial de bigpharma/bill Gate/francs maçons/ banques/juifs/illuminati/… pour s’enrichir et tuer une grande partie de la population mondiale, les plus pauvres, « les inutiles » et contrôler le reste du monde.

Aucune explication rationnelle ne les convainc.

L’ultracrépidarianisme* s’est imposé. Il a écrasé toute notion de compétence acquise par les études et l’expérience.

Au Lancet, Science, Nature, Cell et autres très grandes revues scientifiques mondiales on nous oppose INTERNET.

Il sera toujours possible de trouver sur la toile mondiale quelqu’un qui confortera son sentiment/opinion que le vaccin est dangereux, sans recul, qu’il rend stérile, magnétique et bien sûr contient des puces qui vont permettre de nous contrôler.

Aux multiples études rassurantes sur chaque crainte légitime on nous répond « un tel a dit que « sur YouTube.

Notre formation de médecin et des décennies de lecture scientifique et de pratique médicale devrait nous procurer un semblant d’autorité en matière d’analyse de la Covid. Mais si, je suis pour le vaccin, je suis corrompu et donc je mens.

Imparable.

A cela s’ajoute l’ipsedixitisme *.

Convoquer un « expert » viendra clore le débat. Qui êtes-vous pour dire que vous êtes plus crédible qu’un prix Nobel ou le « plus grand spécialiste » dans tel ou tel domaine ?

Qu’importe que ce prix Nobel et les exemples en sont nombreux, ait depuis son heure de gloire, versé dans l’obscurantisme le plus total. Seul compte son titre. Il a été et donc restera une lumière intellectuelle pour l’éternité. Je le convoque et donc je suis prix Nobel par procuration.

Qu’importe que ce spécialiste de l’infectiologie se soit systématiquement trompé sur la crise sanitaire et ait participé à la défiance généralisée envers les institutions et tous ses collègues.

Il est contre ce qu’il appelle le système, il accuse l’ensemble de ceux en désaccord avec lui de corruption, il s’auto proclame l’élite, le Nobelisable et il devient ainsi une boussole qu’il faut suivre aveuglément.

Qu’importe si cette boussole montre le Sud et vous mène à l’abîme. Plus belle et en chantant sera la chute vertigineuse.

En France un quarteron de collègues auront largement aider à miner la confiance dans le corps médical et la science. Peu nombreux, incroyablement outranciers dans leurs propos mais médiatisés dans des proportions indécentes. Reflets de l’instantanéité stérile et souvent sidéralement vide de perspective de nos propos dans les médias.

Quelques illuminés mais aussi notre IHU d’infectiologie qui aurait dû être un phare mondial dans la lutte contre la Covid et s’est avéré être un incroyable échec scientifique et humain.

Les manifestants contre le Passé Sanitaire peuvent être analysé différemment.

Nous ne sommes plus dans la crainte de la supposée inconnue médicale mais dans celle de la perte de nos libertés individuelles. Manifester son opposition à ce Passe peut être compréhensible.

Mais ce débat a été perverti.

D’abord par ceux qui par intérêt politique et /ou financier, souvent les deux, provoquent et mènent ces manifestations. Acteurs opportunistes minables ils retourneront prochainement à leur anonymat.

Plus grave est la perversion d’une cause initialement intéressante mais qui par ses excès a outrageusement insulté notre démocratie en la comparant à une dictature sanguinaire et aussi l’histoire en convoquant l’étoile jaune et la Shoah. Montrer un QR code ne vous mène pas aux chambres à gaz. Devoir rappeler cette différence est terrifiant quant à la capacité d’oublier ou tout simplement ne pas connaître (plus grave encore pour moi) ce qu’est la capacité de sauvagerie de l’homme envers l’homme.

Lorsque l’indécence et l’inculture n’ont plus de limites notre président devient Hitler, Staline ou Pol Pot. Rien ne vient endiguer les comparaisons obscènes qui ainsi se vident de leur sens dans un tourbillon d’images dignes d’un mauvais film Fellinien.

Médicalement, scientifiquement, cette crise qui s’écrit chaque jour à l’échelle du monde est simple.

Nous luttons contre un virus, un de plus, qui a tué officiellement 4 millions de personnes et très probablement de l’ordre de 10 millions.

Les armes pour le contrôler sont connues : Vaccin, mesures barrières, masque et depuis peu le Pass sanitaire.

Comme par le passé pour d’autres épidémies nous vaincrons ce fléau sanitaire et grâce à la science nous aurons limité les pertes.

Ce qui restera, outre la douleur des familles endeuillées et des millions de Covid longues, c’est une société fracturée incroyablement égoïste et repliée sur ses privilèges.

Le MOI devrait se diluer et s’épanouir dans la collectivité. Il s’est hypertrophié de façon grotesque au risque telle la grenouille d’éclater en emportant la cohésion de notre société avec lui.

A l’extraordinaire aventure scientifique que nous vivons depuis 18 mois s’oppose la noirceur des comportements d’individus et de groupes.

Sans doute simplement l’éternel recommencement de l’histoire de l’homme dans sa splendeur et sa médiocrité.

Une leçon d’humilité.

*Merci à Etienne Klein pour m’avoir appris ces deux mots Ultracrepidarianisme et Ipsedixistisme qui malheureusement m’accompagnent depuis presque deux ans

[Gator]

Scarr a écrit :

Sinon, on avait tenu trois mois sans ce maudit topic…tsss….

Looooooool. 

T’es troooop content de le retrouver, en fait.

[Gator]

Scarr a écrit :

Pr Gilbert Deray

Moi, y m’inspire pas, ton bonhomme. 

Je le sais, j’l’ai lu sur internet.

https://www.geo.fr/histoire/gilles-de-rais-serial-killer-avant-lheure-202748

[Scarr]

gator a écrit :

Scarr a écrit :

Sinon, on avait tenu trois mois sans ce maudit topic…tsss….

Looooooool. 
T’es troooop content de le retrouver, en fait.

Ah non pitié. Absolument pas.

Encore une fois, on ne l’aurait pas remonté, je le laissais là ou il était.

Le texte de ce professionnel au coeur du problème me semble parfaitement répondre, à plusieurs niveaux. Plus rien à ajouter.

[;;]

Pfff, j’suis fatigué après la lecture de ce loooooonnnnnng texte ! 

Et puis, petite question : on est pas sur un site de MX ? 

Pour remettre les choses dans l’ordre, une info MX, petite partie de l’interview du frangin Lawrence : « Hunter Lawrence : «Aujourd’hui, j’ai vu Jésus à chaque tour – c’était vraiment difficile. »

‘reusement que je suis là !  

[b.r.t]

Sinon, il va bien jesus,  l’interview ne le dit pas. 

[Gator]

savourel a écrit :

Pfff, j’suis fatigué après la lecture de ce loooooonnnnnng texte ! 
Et puis, petite question : on est pas sur un site de MX ? 

Ha bah moi j’ai ça: c’est interminable, en anglais et incompréhensible même si tu parles l’anglais.

“Hey everyone, grant here again. Just wanted to follow up with a little update. 

First of all I have to say, the support has been absolutely mindboggling. I never thought that it would be like this. I just wanted to put out a post to let people know where I was coming from and give my side of the story. But like I said, the fans and just average people, just anyone that’s reached out, thank you so much. I know for a lot of people it was even difficult to reach out because they didn’t want backlash or have maybe their sponsors or company come after them. So I received a ton of direct messages as well that was not in the public eye, so again, I’ve been trying to read through them. I’ve had tens of thousands to be perfectly honest, and I’ve been trying to read through them so just to let you know, I will eventually get through them, and I’ve tried to at least like and respond to a lot of them, but at the same time I don’t wanna be stuck on my phone 24/7. As you can imagine. 

I feel like I just need to elaborate a little bit more about, you know what happened. I was actually riding up in Utah with a good group of guys on a dual sport ride and I was told on Wednesday that I needed to get a negative test if I was to be allowed back from TV compound and I said, I understand and obviously did that. 

I had a negative test but that still wasn’t enough. They can slice it how they want, but they took the path of least resistance and that was just tell GL to stay home. You’re not welcome this weekend. Because I was exposed. Now, I hate that term because who knows if I was exposed or not, there were a couple people out of about 40, you know, roughly in the TV crew that had it now. 

From my side too, the reason that this was even more frustrating is I knew that I hadn’t been exposed. I got to the track only on Saturday. I had a late flight in, didn’t come to the track Friday for the meetings they’ve been doing the meetings through a zoom call. And you know, with this sort of delta variant, and just knowing how things work and you know, trying to do my part, I actually was somewhat anti-social in the TV compound, meaning I didn’t have lunch with them. I didn’t hang out with people, I didn’t walk into the other trucks purely because I didn’t want something like this to happen, so when they said you may have been exposed, I would no one actually gave me the opportunity to tell them where I was, who I spoke to and who I didn’t talk to so. 

You know, it was frustrating to basically just be told to stay home and come, you know, don’t ask questions and pretty much in my opinion, I was being punished purely for not being vaccinated. They all slice it differently. And then to add insult to injury, no one had the decency or respect to call me and let me know that I was being replaced. I started hearing rumors on Thursday before I was literally walking out my door to go to the airport and I had to call and text multiple people to find out. Yeah, it was true, I was being replaced. 

I think after all these years and everything I’ve done for them, I’ve never called in sick, I’ve never done anything out of line. I truly believe that that was a really crappy call and the thing that is also annoying is everyone pointing fingers and taking no responsibility of making that call. Everyone kind of saying, my hands are tired, I can’t make a decision which I find very hard to believe.  

Now, to elaborate a little bit more on my decision, I am not an anti vaxxer and I’ve had vaccines obviously from childhood all the way to an adult. I am, however, someone that’s going to ask questions and be a little bit skeptical. I come from a country that is not heavily vaccinated and funny enough, there’s far fewer cases of diseases and issues. 

I have a son who has autism and I saw a 2-year-old kid that was very normal get a bunch of jabs and then within months I saw him regressing and that was very hard as a parent, and I tried to find answers. And it’s a little bit like this vaccine, it’s pretty much don’t ask questions, “Shut up and do as you’re told.” Now it’s not a political statement either, because if any of you recall Trump said, “take it,” Biden said, “take it.” But then again, I’ve never listened to politicians, and I’m not going to start now. If this vaccine is as good as they say it is, then why are vaccinated people so concerned about people that are not vaccinated? Why are they mandating boosters? They keep saying it’s mutating. I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen from the start. 

So again, I’m not an anti-vaxxer and if I believed that this vaccine was good for me and the people around me, I would take it and I may take it in the future, but I just want to wait and see some studies. I’ve had COVID. I believe I had it in January 2020 after Anaheim Supercross. A lot of people got very sick. I remember saying this was the worst flu I’ve ever had, but that was before we really knew about it, so I can only speculate that I had it, but I’m pretty sure I did based on the symptoms and how I felt. 

I know for a fact that I had it in November last year because obviously I took multiple tests and I had very, very mild symptoms. I understand that affects everyone a little bit differently. I could only speak from my experience. Which was when I had it, it was honestly like a very mild head cold. I was more frustrated being stuck at home because I remember I was like, “well, I’ll just go to the store and get some groceries.” I’m like, “Nope, Nope can’t do that either.” 

So I’m trying to do my part and be a good citizen. I’ve never told people “you shouldn’t take the vaccine,” but I have people tell me all the time. “You need to take the vaccine.” So I just wanted to give you my reasons for this and I really hope that in the future people will stand up for what they believe in. Whether you’re right or wrong, there’s a lot of amateur doctors out there and experts that know all about this disease or this, you know, variant whatever you want to call it. 

For me, it’s open your eyes, listen, take the data that’s coming in, and there’s data coming in all the time and it’s kind of proving my point, which is it’s really not as good as they made it out to be and all they keep doing is doubling down on “you need to take it and do your part so we can get through this pandemic.” 

Remember when they said two weeks, you know, in the very beginning and this thing will disappear and we’ll all be happy and move on. Well, here we are a year and a half later and it’s just causing so much drama. And it’s ruining sport, it’s ruining relationships, you know, because there’s people that have opinions on both sides. 

And I’m not here to tell anyone that they’re wrong I just would appreciate people not telling me what to do. It’s never sit well with me when people tell me what to do. I like to consider myself an independent thinker and I’ll make the decision for myself.  

Again, I’ve had COVID, in fact, pretty much everyone in my family had it, and you know everyone came out OK and I understand for some people it was a different outcome. I know people have been hospitalized after taking the vaccine, I actually know someone whose son died shortly after receiving the vaccine, and I also know that they are people that would tell you it’s helped him or kept them out of hospital and for whatever you believe in, good for you. 

I made my decision again, I just thought it wasn’t handled very well. I thought it was pretty tacky the way I had to find out that I was suspended from a race because they believed that I’d come into contact, which again, I could debunk that but it doesn’t matter. It’s too late now. 

I know that they’re going to start mandating things in the future, and I thought I’d rather quit on my own terms. The Motocross series doesn’t need me and I don’t need them. So again, thank you to everyone for the overwhelming support. It’s meant the world to me, I never wanted this to be a huge deal, but I think, without really realizing, I think a lot of people appreciated me standing up for my beliefs and I know a lot of people wish they were in that position that they could do that. 

So, thank you again, I wish you all the best and whatever your decision is, I hope you all are healthy, safe and we can get through this together, cheers.”

Voilà, après, si vous voulez, on parle de Muselier.

;-)))

[redneck]

gator a écrit :

Ha bah moi j’ai ça: c’est interminable, en anglais et incompréhensible même si tu parles l’anglais.
“Hey everyone, grant here again. Just wanted to follow up with a little update. 
First of all I have to say, the support has been absolutely mindboggling. I never thought that it would be like this. I just wanted to put out a post to let people know where I was coming from and give my side of the story. But like I said, the fans and just average people, just anyone that’s reached out, thank you so much. I know for a lot of people it was even difficult to reach out because they didn’t want backlash or have maybe their sponsors or company come after them. So I received a ton of direct messages as well that was not in the public eye, so again, I’ve been trying to read through them. I’ve had tens of thousands to be perfectly honest, and I’ve been trying to read through them so just to let you know, I will eventually get through them, and I’ve tried to at least like and respond to a lot of them, but at the same time I don’t wanna be stuck on my phone 24/7. As you can imagine. 
I feel like I just need to elaborate a little bit more about, you know what happened. I was actually riding up in Utah with a good group of guys on a dual sport ride and I was told on Wednesday that I needed to get a negative test if I was to be allowed back from TV compound and I said, I understand and obviously did that. 
I had a negative test but that still wasn’t enough. They can slice it how they want, but they took the path of least resistance and that was just tell GL to stay home. You’re not welcome this weekend. Because I was exposed. Now, I hate that term because who knows if I was exposed or not, there were a couple people out of about 40, you know, roughly in the TV crew that had it now. 
From my side too, the reason that this was even more frustrating is I knew that I hadn’t been exposed. I got to the track only on Saturday. I had a late flight in, didn’t come to the track Friday for the meetings they’ve been doing the meetings through a zoom call. And you know, with this sort of delta variant, and just knowing how things work and you know, trying to do my part, I actually was somewhat anti-social in the TV compound, meaning I didn’t have lunch with them. I didn’t hang out with people, I didn’t walk into the other trucks purely because I didn’t want something like this to happen, so when they said you may have been exposed, I would no one actually gave me the opportunity to tell them where I was, who I spoke to and who I didn’t talk to so. 
You know, it was frustrating to basically just be told to stay home and come, you know, don’t ask questions and pretty much in my opinion, I was being punished purely for not being vaccinated. They all slice it differently. And then to add insult to injury, no one had the decency or respect to call me and let me know that I was being replaced. I started hearing rumors on Thursday before I was literally walking out my door to go to the airport and I had to call and text multiple people to find out. Yeah, it was true, I was being replaced. 
I think after all these years and everything I’ve done for them, I’ve never called in sick, I’ve never done anything out of line. I truly believe that that was a really crappy call and the thing that is also annoying is everyone pointing fingers and taking no responsibility of making that call. Everyone kind of saying, my hands are tired, I can’t make a decision which I find very hard to believe.  
Now, to elaborate a little bit more on my decision, I am not an anti vaxxer and I’ve had vaccines obviously from childhood all the way to an adult. I am, however, someone that’s going to ask questions and be a little bit skeptical. I come from a country that is not heavily vaccinated and funny enough, there’s far fewer cases of diseases and issues. 
I have a son who has autism and I saw a 2-year-old kid that was very normal get a bunch of jabs and then within months I saw him regressing and that was very hard as a parent, and I tried to find answers. And it’s a little bit like this vaccine, it’s pretty much don’t ask questions, “Shut up and do as you’re told.” Now it’s not a political statement either, because if any of you recall Trump said, “take it,” Biden said, “take it.” But then again, I’ve never listened to politicians, and I’m not going to start now. If this vaccine is as good as they say it is, then why are vaccinated people so concerned about people that are not vaccinated? Why are they mandating boosters? They keep saying it’s mutating. I think a lot of us knew this was going to happen from the start. 
So again, I’m not an anti-vaxxer and if I believed that this vaccine was good for me and the people around me, I would take it and I may take it in the future, but I just want to wait and see some studies. I’ve had COVID. I believe I had it in January 2020 after Anaheim Supercross. A lot of people got very sick. I remember saying this was the worst flu I’ve ever had, but that was before we really knew about it, so I can only speculate that I had it, but I’m pretty sure I did based on the symptoms and how I felt. 
I know for a fact that I had it in November last year because obviously I took multiple tests and I had very, very mild symptoms. I understand that affects everyone a little bit differently. I could only speak from my experience. Which was when I had it, it was honestly like a very mild head cold. I was more frustrated being stuck at home because I remember I was like, “well, I’ll just go to the store and get some groceries.” I’m like, “Nope, Nope can’t do that either.” 
So I’m trying to do my part and be a good citizen. I’ve never told people “you shouldn’t take the vaccine,” but I have people tell me all the time. “You need to take the vaccine.” So I just wanted to give you my reasons for this and I really hope that in the future people will stand up for what they believe in. Whether you’re right or wrong, there’s a lot of amateur doctors out there and experts that know all about this disease or this, you know, variant whatever you want to call it. 
For me, it’s open your eyes, listen, take the data that’s coming in, and there’s data coming in all the time and it’s kind of proving my point, which is it’s really not as good as they made it out to be and all they keep doing is doubling down on “you need to take it and do your part so we can get through this pandemic.” 
Remember when they said two weeks, you know, in the very beginning and this thing will disappear and we’ll all be happy and move on. Well, here we are a year and a half later and it’s just causing so much drama. And it’s ruining sport, it’s ruining relationships, you know, because there’s people that have opinions on both sides. 

And I’m not here to tell anyone that they’re wrong I just would appreciate people not telling me what to do. It’s never sit well with me when people tell me what to do. I like to consider myself an independent thinker and I’ll make the decision for myself.  
Again, I’ve had COVID, in fact, pretty much everyone in my family had it, and you know everyone came out OK and I understand for some people it was a different outcome. I know people have been hospitalized after taking the vaccine, I actually know someone whose son died shortly after receiving the vaccine, and I also know that they are people that would tell you it’s helped him or kept them out of hospital and for whatever you believe in, good for you. 
I made my decision again, I just thought it wasn’t handled very well. I thought it was pretty tacky the way I had to find out that I was suspended from a race because they believed that I’d come into contact, which again, I could debunk that but it doesn’t matter. It’s too late now. 
I know that they’re going to start mandating things in the future, and I thought I’d rather quit on my own terms. The Motocross series doesn’t need me and I don’t need them. So again, thank you to everyone for the overwhelming support. It’s meant the world to me, I never wanted this to be a huge deal, but I think, without really realizing, I think a lot of people appreciated me standing up for my beliefs and I know a lot of people wish they were in that position that they could do that. 
So, thank you again, I wish you all the best and whatever your decision is, I hope you all are healthy, safe and we can get through this together, cheers.”
Voilà, après, si vous voulez, on parle de Muselier.
;-)))

C’est très interessant.

Je suis maintenant extrêmement impatient de connaitre la réaction à Mimosa.

[gunsho]

Quelques infos des marchés financiers, qui pensent que « des rappels vaccinaux seront nécessaires sur le temps long » : https://www.maddyness.com/2021/09/01/valneva-bourse-vaccin-covid-19/

[Auteur]

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